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Draw border around controls on VBA Userform without using a Frame?

I am designing a VBA UserForm (in Excel, if it is relevant) and I would like some controls to be visually grouped together.. but when I put them in a frame, I am getting some undesired results (part of it has to do with the RefEdit control which seems to be particularly unhappy inside a frame).

Is there a way to draw a border around a group of controls on a form without putting them inside a Frame?

Use a label with the caption deleted and the border style set to fmBorderStyleSingle . It may appear on top of your other controls, so right click on it and select "send backwards" until it's behind your other controls.

The best way to do this would be to create the shape over where you need it to be. Drag highlight everything that you want on top of it, then right click and brink it all forwards. Then when you drag your shape back over the top it will in fact be underneath everthing else. Hope that helps.

This worked for me and I was at first having the same issue where I had to choose to "Send Backward" up to 30 times per label in some cases. I found that hitting the Ctrl-K sends it to the back of all controls with one time hitting these keys.

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